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Net zero the way its been being proposed is impossible and a red herring for oligarchic techno-feudalism and malthusian tyranny. You can tell this by what is trying to be done, and what is never mentioned. If we did holistic livestock management and keyline design on a large scale, we would be getting better crop yields, less flooding, healthier meet, more sustainable water use and water quality, and better grass yields for livestock. Where I live it builds an inch of topsoil a year. A year! More in other areas, less in others, but if it were done at a large scale we’d be desperately flaring natgas just to keep co2 levels high enough from all of the carbon getting trapped in soil. One cubic yard of soil weighs about 3000lbs. One cubic yard. Think about that. Multiply that by a billion *acres*. Then tell me with a straight face that all the heat pumps and electric cars and windmills are the way to save the planet. The math doesnt even work on those. Most of the left turned it into a smug as hell, corrupt, faddish religion, not a scientific movement, and it is infuriating.

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I’m not an energy nerd unfortunately, just a plain policy nerd.

I wish there was a bit more honesty in the net zero debate. “Mitigation” (doing things which lower greenhouse gas eg solar, wind, electric vehicles etc) is expensive. We can’t ignore that. If it wasn’t expensive politicians wouldn’t need to get involved- we’d just buy it because it’s cheap. But it’s not. We are forced to buy expensive renewable energy (the most recent renewable auction locked us in at high prices for 20 years (much longer than the previous renewable auction where we were only locked in for 15 years) because no one was willing to supply renewables at high prices for only 15 years).

I don’t think politicians have been honest about what the highest industrial electricity prices in the world does to our economy. It is hurting our manufacturing and industrial sectors as well as new AI and data centres. Other countries get it. Industrial electricity is loads cheaper, they faced the same challenges as us but they’re a bit more pragmatic, and willing to see trade-offs about these things. And these other countries are coming to eat our lunch.

I don’t think politicians have been honest about the cost of transforming the grid and doing all the other things we need to do to transition to Green energy: paying high price for renewables is just the start, we will need new interconnectors (to bring electricity from Europe), we will need to replace our end of life gas power generation that we will rely on when renewable availability is low. All this is fine if it’s the right thing to do, but just tell us how much it costs, put it to voters and we can vote on it.

I don’t think politicians have been honest about using a policy of putting Scottish oil workers out of work and lowering UK GDP and tax. The purpose of closing the north Sea is not to lower our emissions (if anything closing North Sea has a slight positive impact on emissions - because as a result we have to import more gas which takes loads of energy to liquefy at source either in the gulf or in America so it can be transported in tankers, then loads of fuel to ship it over here, and loads of energy to de-liquefy into gas when it arrives).

But closing our north Sea oil production was never about emissions. The eco guys constantly tell us (eg during the recent Iran crisis) that increasing North Sea oil production wouldn’t affect the price of petrol that we pay - all true. But by definition that means increasing production of North Sea fossil fuel will not have the tiniest bit of impact on global demand for fossil fuel and therefore wouldn’t have the tiniest impact on global GHG emissions. So remind me again why we’re putting a load of Scottish people out of work? Why are we making the UK poorer, lowering tax in order to do nothing to GHG?

What the argument comes down to is: let’s put Scottish people out of work so we can try and influence the four biggest producers of GHG: US China India and Russia (>50% of emissions). Which again is fine, if that’s the argument politicians want to make they should be honest and say to people “I’m closing down our industry, putting UK workers out of jobs, because I have a god given certainty to believe that it will influence Trump, Xi etc. Scottish workers’ sacrifice will be the price worth paying.” Then voters will decide whether we believe the politicians who say Trump Xi et al will swayed by our sacrifice.

So we can all come to different views about how we weigh the costs and the benefits. But it’s the responsibility of politicians to be straight up with people - to tell the truth.

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