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Kryptogal (Kate, if you like)'s avatar

So, I live in Utah where the ballerina farm woman lives. Along with 70,000 look alikes because the norm here is blond beautiful smiling middle class people who marry at 22 and have 4 kids by their early 30s. It's red pill neo con tradwife paradise.

Let me tell you what they don't see. That Utah has one of the highest divorce rates in the nation. That almost everyone has multiple marriages and complicated sets of step children and ex in laws and blended families. That this place is FILLED TO THE GILLS with 55 year old women who used to live the real housewives life til their husband got sick of them and traded them in, and they never got a real job so now they're living in an apartment and working as a cashier at Target, and their only friends are their kids. That the ones who do stay married are so economically dependent on their husbands and terrified of getting dumped that they have more and more cosmetic procedures and that it's basically the plastic surgery capital of the world here. That the stay at home wives wrangling 3 toddlers are all deeply paranoid and suspicious of all the carefree and fancy free career women that their husbands work with while they're home, so they spend all their time stalking them online and obsessively checking their social media. That when their husbands decide that actually they think their religion is kind of bullshit and at 40 they're upset they missed out on having fun in their youth and want to go experience all the things they didn't at 25, that these women are screwed (and this happening is a total epidemic here, people are leaving the Mormon church in droves, but way more men are then women). That their husbands ARE in fact hitting on the secular child free career women at work, and the fucked up thing is that they're the absolute worst about it when their wife is pregnant...like they unconsciously sense she's stuck with him and now's the time to risk it all to hit on the chick at work.

I live among these women, and let me tell you there is nothing to envy or aspire to there. SO many of them will tell you they wish they waited longer to get married and have kids, they wish they established a career. When a young woman here posts asking for advice "to your younger self" on the women's groups, the #1 piece of advice is "don't be in such a hurry, you don't need to settle down in your 20s." Which is hilarious bc it's the complete opposite of what men try to propagandize.

So apparently some young women who've never actually experienced what real trad life in a real trad culture have Instagram fantasies about what it'd be like (and Utah moms bat way out of the park on being influencers, people love looking at their blond happy family images).

Yet the actual human women who grew up and lived that way are about 5,000 times more likely to switch course and become (the horror) feminist career women, then the other way around. When you actually live around it and see what it's really like, it's not remotely appealing.

But you get it. It's too bad the Gen Z neo cons you're talking about don't have any actual real world examples to compare to whatever abstract theory is in their head.

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Amelia Buzzard's avatar

This is so fresh! It doesn’t read like recycled ideology (unlike much written around this issue on both ends of the political spectrum). I feel like you could expand this into a cool essay for Fairer Disputations (a sex realist feminism publication by the Abigail Adams Institute).

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